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Shadowmere · Jun 19, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

IAS?

Put it on a hammer/scythe with [skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill].

Thank you! I was beginning to worry no one remembered those ones. That little string of less than 1 sec attacks makes for an IAS that is better than most standard IAS' you get.

That said I wouldn't use [warrior's endurance] on anything less than a scythe or maybe a hammer.

Trvth Jvstice · Jun 19, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Since someone mentioned using [[Warrior's Endurance] to spam [[Power Attack] - plus there was another thread recently discussing the same thing - I decided to run a little test using the Master of Damage.

First skill bar: [Warrior's Endurance][Power Attack] - no IAS. I triggered Warrior's Endurance, then spammed Power attack until Warrior's Endurance ran out, auto attacking during Power Attack's recharge. The result - 931 damage over 31 seconds.

2nd Skill bar: [Frenzy][Enduring Harmony][For Great Justice][Enraging Charge][Dragon Slash] I triggered the skills in order, auto attacking after frenzy. D Slash was ready after Enraging Charge. I spammed D Slash and renewed frenzy on recharge. I stopped attacking after For Great Justice ran out and D Slash was no longer charged. The result - 1,616 after 38 seconds.

So while [[Warrior's Endurance] helps with a few gimmick builds, using it to spam [[Power Attack] is clearly not a viable option if you have better skills available.

I think most of us knew this already - I just had to test it to prove it for myself. Someone else can test it with [[Weapon of Aggression] to see if that makes a substantial difference. Though, I really doubt if it will improve the results very much.

EDIT: I used a Major Swordsmanship Rune and a Minor Strength Rune. I was wielding a max dmg 15^50 fiery sword of defence.

Crom The Pale · Jun 19, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

This elite, like so many war elites, fits into the "fun to use" catagory, not the "Most Efficient" catagory.

If not for it being a Stance, thus depriving you an IAS, this would actually be a very good and powerfull War Elite.

Edit: Trvth Jvstice, you can't be serious about comparing a skill like Power Attack with an entire build containing Dragon slash?
Try you test again but add in [counterattack] (factoring in that you would get back energy vs attacking foes ofcoures) and [Weapon of Aggression] and possibly a Zealous weapon...heck toss in [wild blow] just to make it 5skills VS 5skills.

Trvth Jvstice · Jun 20, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Crom, No the way I figure, the 2 skills used on the Warrior's Endurance bar are the base skills needed to spam Power Atack. The skills on the D Slash bar are what's needed to properly use D Slash. I just wanted to compare the damage done by spamming either attack skill. One important note - Warriors Endurance was recharged and I could have continued to spam Power Attack. I couldn't have done so with D Slash after For Great Justice ran out.

Shaz · Jun 20, 2008, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

Crom, No the way I figure, the 2 skills used on the Warrior's Endurance bar are the base skills needed to spam Power Atack. The skills on the D Slash bar are what's needed to properly use D Slash. I just wanted to compare the damage done by spamming either attack skill. One important note - Warriors Endurance was recharged and I could have continued to spam Power Attack. I couldn't have done so with D Slash after For Great Justice ran out.

I'm not defending that Warrior's Endurance it's a good skill, it's decent, but that's not a good comparison. Power Attack has 3 sec recharge, and Dragon Slash has 0 and an IAS, of course it's going to do more damage. Compare the whole DS bar with the whole WE bar. You don't use WE to just spam Power Attack.

Maneo Ranae · Jun 20, 2008, 08:48 AM // 08:48

No, you don't, you use WE to spam FoxBat's skills,...

[Protector's Strike], [Mystic Sweep] & [Eremite's Attack]

blue.rellik · Jun 21, 2008, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by Tyla

It disallows you the power of an IAS, which is bad.

@Ogre - I hope that was sarcasm.

As I said, niche. If I use it then I use it with a scythe and a bunch of 1/2 activation skills, which is basically the same as being under a IAS

A Leprechaun · Jun 21, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Its fun and I think very effective. Its not the most effective, not by a long way but it does the job. Its not an achievment I know but I have VQed 4 man aerea with similar builds (with me and 3 heroes not running from Yaks) and it worked fine. Its not just a NM play-around build.
Trvth Jvstice: Your comparison is flawed, very flawed.

~A Leprechaun~

Trvth Jvstice · Jun 21, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

@ A Leprechaun, I wanted to compare the damage output when spamming Power Attack to spamming D Slash. Warrior's Endurance is all you need to properly spam Power Attack. That's why I didn't include other attack skills. I didn't make any other claims in the comparison. If you want, compare the damage between your skill bar and the skill bar I used for D Slash - auto attacking when you can. Attack for 38 seconds as I did with the D Slash bar.

[DE] · Jun 21, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Scythe Build
[Save Yourselves!][Warrior's Endurance][Mystic Sweep][Eremite's Attack][Protector's Strike][Whirlwind Attack][Aura of Holy Might][Resurrection Signet]

Hammer Build
[Rending Touch][Warrior's Endurance][Mystic Sweep][Eremite's Attack][Protector's Strike][Hammer Bash][Crushing Blow][Resurrection Signet]

Losing an IAS and Elite Skill Slot for Warrior's Endurance seems like a pretty bad trade-off but you can make it work with some builds.

Hugh Manatee · Jun 22, 2008, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by ShadowbaneX

I could see maybe running this skill if you're in some place (Dragon's Lair, Imperial Sanctum, Gate of Madness) where you need to be spamming Wild Blow to remove a stance off some boss, but other then that, yeah, I'd never use this skill.

^that. Spamming stuff like wild blow, counter attack and protectors on shiro or kournan bowmen can be very effective, but otherwise I just use something like eves, d-slash or some such. Though I do know a guy who swears by a W/A with daggers, using WE to spam dagger attacks... I have no idea which ones it was... Might have been gold fox, wild strike and death blossom with a couple generic attack skills or assassin stuff.... I dunno...

A Leprechaun · Jun 22, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

@ A Leprechaun, I wanted to compare the damage output when spamming Power Attack to spamming D Slash. Warrior's Endurance is all you need to properly spam Power Attack. That's why I didn't include other attack skills. I didn't make any other claims in the comparison. If you want, compare the damage between your skill bar and the skill bar I used for D Slash - auto attacking when you can. Attack for 38 seconds as I did with the D Slash bar.

Since when did you "need" Frenzy and Enraging Charge to spam D-Slash? Yes they make it more effective but they are not needed.

~A Leprechaun~

warriorsmiley · Jun 24, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

I dont run this skill often myself I prefer to let my hero run it whenever i know im going to be facing enemies with block stances such as rangers with whirling. I Run endurance,power attack,wild blow, Pious Assault, and distracting strike and i have to say it works wonders plus at the pricey cost of a secondary it allows my hero to run energy skills and still be able to inflict a deep wound sometimes I get bored and make my hero run this with a scythe aoe deep wound=win.